Animal Testing - Your View?

[Ollinder]

Ok, I'm sure you're all aware of Animal Testing. What do you think of it? Should animals be let free from the cruelty of the labs, where up to 500 other animals are kept in small cages, and treated poorly so they can have vaccines, dyes and makeup tested on them?

Sure, the results benefit human life, but technically, animal testing is illegal. They do not give their consent to the testing, as a human would have to. What do you all think about this? Should humans have to test products on other humans?

[darklight]

Animal testing, its sick.
I've seen them use all kinds of chemicals on animals.
Injecting them with whatever, not having a clue wether they'll survive.
Yeah, I'm against animal testing.
Using them on humans first, yeah,
1) The human would be in full awarness of the risks and benifits.
2) Current human testing laws say that the subject must recieve payment, so people could make money
3)Since the labs would be paying salaries, they would do less tests, but also more torough tests, the torough tests would likly find new breaktroughs with chemicals, vacines and what not.

Besides, an animals anatomy and immunity system are alot different to a humans.
Whats to say that a drug that works on animals would even have the same effect on humans.

[Ollinder]

Yes, that's another point. Why bother to test drugs on mice? If any animal would be used, it would be a monkey, no? But I think it's sick to use every animal that they can get their horrible hands on.

[darklight]

It was a series of documentaries a while back that got me interested in this first.
I saw a dog die, twitching and foaming at the mouth after he had a bad reaction to some drug.
And they just put him onto a slab and wheeled him off to run scans to see what killed him then incinerated the corpse. Pure sick.

With humans, they would have a lot more research into these drugs, before they tested them, because irregardless, killing a human is a punishable crime anywhere, so they'd have to be 99%positive of the results before testing. That’s the main reason they use animals

[Ollinder]

Replying to the first thing you said, about the dog dying. No-one makes a big deal about dogs dying from testing drugs, but when humans get seriously ill from them, it's in the news for a year.

[darklight]

True, but put your self in place of the lab techs.
On a personal level they don't care.
Now that probly striked me more because I love dogs. (Not like that! )
But can you imagine finding a dog killed on the street, bringing him into the back yard and burning him.
But on a grand scale.
I'm probly looking to closly at things here tough.

[luna]

My history teacher said they should stop animal testing.....and test on humans. I mean, like people on death-row and all that. They're condemed to death, anyway, so why not? Opinions?

[darklight]

There are very few people actually killed trough the law each year.
And they can't legally do that anyway.
A violation of the human rights laws, even tough they are doomed without it.

[luna]

Yeah....then again, my hustory teacher is crazy.

I think animal testing is messed up! They won't get the same results on a monkey as they will on a five year old! They should hire people to test it, not harm unwilling little animals. *hides Mike*

[bassist]

darklight said:

There are very few people actually killed trough the law each year.
And they can't legally do that anyway.
A violation of the human rights laws, even tough they are doomed without it.

Human rights? THEY KILLED PEOPLE!!!!!

[darklight]

No but they cant "force a human being to use dangerous/addictive/unstable subtances against his/her will"
Legally, whos to say they dont do it already unknownst to the public?